Chris Matthews: Dems ‘Are Falling into the Trap of Defending What’s Indefensible’ — Murder Rate

BRZEZINSKI We have special ░░░░░░░░ of Vanity Fair and ░░░░░░░░ of the Fast Politics ░░░░░░░░ Molly Jong Fast the ░░░░░░░░ of the National Action ░░░░░░░░ and host of MSNBC ░░░░░░░░ Politics Nation reverend Al ░░░░░░░░ and Former MSNBC Host ░░░░░░░░ Matthews joins us His ░░░░░░░░ is entitled Hardball with ░░░░░░░░ Matthews We love it ░░░░░░░░ Chris you also served ░░░░░░░░ a capital cop in ░░░░░░░░ C I want to ░░░░░░░░ you MATTHEWS Yeah BRZEZINSKI ░░░░░░░░ just your take about ░░░░░░░░ move by President Trump ░░░░░░░░ you feel about it ░░░░░░░░ also how how Democrats ░░░░░░░░ be responding What do ░░░░░░░░ think the politics of ░░░░░░░░ is I think it ░░░░░░░░ a political win for ░░░░░░░░ and I think that ░░░░░░░░ Democrats need to go ░░░░░░░░ saying no look at ░░░░░░░░ data crime is going ░░░░░░░░ I feel that is ░░░░░░░░ the wrong response politically ░░░░░░░░ if it s true ░░░░░░░░ the problems that D ░░░░░░░░ is facing whether the ░░░░░░░░ shows it s going ░░░░░░░░ or down is homelessness ░░░░░░░░ rats poverty disparity and ░░░░░░░░ all the systemic problems ░░░░░░░░ cities are facing and ░░░░░░░░ m wondering if Democrats ░░░░░░░░ to go beyond the ░░░░░░░░ and come up with ░░░░░░░░ real answer to these ░░░░░░░░ What do you think ░░░░░░░░ terms of this on ░░░░░░░░ political level Do you ░░░░░░░░ this is a win ░░░░░░░░ Trump How do you ░░░░░░░░ Democrats are responding MATTHEWS ░░░░░░░░ there s a couple ░░░░░░░░ here I think he ░░░░░░░░ showing strength which is ░░░░░░░░ a big thing with ░░░░░░░░ I want to go ░░░░░░░░ to what you just ░░░░░░░░ initially about me I ░░░░░░░░ a capitol policeman just ░░░░░░░░ three months It was ░░░░░░░░ patronage job I later ░░░░░░░░ a legislative assistant to ░░░░░░░░ senator But I got ░░░░░░░░ tell you when he ░░░░░░░░ he has that guy ░░░░░░░░ the Justice Department now ░░░░░░░░ said kill the cops ░░░░░░░░ the cops BRZEZINSKI Yeah ░░░░░░░░ during the January 6th ░░░░░░░░ I I ll never ░░░░░░░░ that that a president ░░░░░░░░ the United States has ░░░░░░░░ BRZEZINSKI Right MATTHEWS only ░░░░░░░░ the people that committed ░░░░░░░░ that day and had ░░░░░░░░ pictures taken so you ░░░░░░░░ hard evidence of their ░░░░░░░░ and he let them ░░░░░░░░ He pardoned them And ░░░░░░░░ he put this guy ░░░░░░░░ says kill the cops ░░░░░░░░ the Justice Department It ░░░░░░░░ awful Is he for ░░░░░░░░ government or against the ░░░░░░░░ That s a good ░░░░░░░░ Now in terms of ░░░░░░░░ C I ve chosen ░░░░░░░░ live my life here ░░░░░░░░ love D C I ░░░░░░░░ it s a beautiful ░░░░░░░░ When I go to ░░░░░░░░ when I do morning ░░░░░░░░ coming in early in ░░░░░░░░ morning I got to ░░░░░░░░ you it s a ░░░░░░░░ city Jefferson Memorial the ░░░░░░░░ Monument the Lincoln Memorial ░░░░░░░░ come up to Washington ░░░░░░░░ it s beautiful Now ░░░░░░░░ are some crimes that ░░░░░░░░ evident and are iconic ░░░░░░░░ you come into this ░░░░░░░░ you re going to ░░░░░░░░ pup tents in the ░░░░░░░░ circle Now they don ░░░░░░░░ commit crimes BRZEZINSKI Yes 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average person the ░░░░░░░░ are about life and ░░░░░░░░ You don t brag ░░░░░░░░ a rising murder rate ░░░░░░░░ the Democrats are I ░░░░░░░░ with you Mika BRZEZINSKI ░░░░░░░░ hmm METTHEWS they re ░░░░░░░░ into the trap of ░░░░░░░░ what s indefensible BRZEZINSKI ░░░░░░░░ s a trap Yes ░░░░░░░░ s a trap I ░░░░░░░░ if it s not ░░░░░░░░ winner politically to say ░░░░░░░░ you re wrong look ░░░░░░░░ the data because you ░░░░░░░░ if one violent crime ░░░░░░░░ in a very heavily ░░░░░░░░ part of the city ░░░░░░░░ hear about it and ░░░░░░░░ s visceral They don ░░░░░░░░ want it And they ░░░░░░░░ to they ll gravitate ░░░░░░░░ the person who appears ░░░░░░░░ be doing something about ░░░░░░░░