Brooke Goldstein: The Only People Being Deliberately Starved in Gaza Are the Hostages Right Now

BEINART And it would ░░░░░░░░ destroy Hamas Israel has ░░░░░░░░ promising that it would ░░░░░░░░ Hamas since October of ░░░░░░░░ and Hamas is still ░░░░░░░░ So this would be ░░░░░░░░ catastrophe but I suspect ░░░░░░░░ won t happen thank ░░░░░░░░ BERMAN Brooke would it ░░░░░░░░ Well look whether it ░░░░░░░░ or not frankly the ░░░░░░░░ is Israel should have ░░░░░░░░ left Gaza because before ░░░░░░░░ we did not have ░░░░░░░░ terrorist state We had ░░░░░░░░ booming economy We had ░░░░░░░░ for the sexes We ░░░░░░░░ t have gays being ░░░░░░░░ off rooftops But when ░░░░░░░░ dragged every last man ░░░░░░░░ and child out of ░░░░░░░░ and exhumed the dead ░░░░░░░░ because they knew what ░░░░░░░░ would do with it ░░░░░░░░ had a terror state ░░░░░░░░ that s a big ░░░░░░░░ And the world is ░░░░░░░░ to admit that And ░░░░░░░░ real question is why ░░░░░░░░ the world preventing Gazans ░░░░░░░░ leaving Gaza Why are ░░░░░░░░ insisting that they remain ░░░░░░░░ human hostages for Hamas ░░░░░░░░ as civilian human shields ░░░░░░░░ the third point really ░░░░░░░░ are they refugees or ░░░░░░░░ they not refugees Because ░░░░░░░░ Gazans are Palestinian refugees ░░░░░░░░ Gaza is not their ░░░░░░░░ and they should be ░░░░░░░░ so that they are ░░░░░░░░ used by Hamas as ░░░░░░░░ shields If they are ░░░░░░░░ Gaza is their home ░░░░░░░░ the entire premise upon ░░░░░░░░ the whole Israeli Palestinian ░░░░░░░░ is based on the ░░░░░░░░ of return is false ░░░░░░░░ only people being deliberately ░░░░░░░░ in Gaza are the ░░░░░░░░ right now You look ░░░░░░░░ Evyatar David he looks ░░░░░░░░ a concentration camp survivor ░░░░░░░░ s forced to dig ░░░░░░░░ own grave When the ░░░░░░░░ of Eden Yerushalmi after ░░░░░░░░ was murdered was returned ░░░░░░░░ was 70 pounds Contrast ░░░░░░░░ to the pictures these ░░░░░░░░ ll say artistic pictures ░░░░░░░░ children most of them ░░░░░░░░ you know diseases BEINART ░░░░░░░░ Brooke GOLDSTEIN Yes really ░░░░░░░░ I mean really you ░░░░░░░░ saying pictures GOLDSTEIN You ░░░░░░░░ see pictures of adults ░░░░░░░░ The pictures of GOLDSTEIN ░░░░░░░░ famine is not selective ░░░░░░░░ You can t have ░░░░░░░░ child who s starving ░░░░░░░░ then the mother is ░░░░░░░░ or the brother is ░░░░░░░░ fed BEINART The picture ░░░░░░░░ Evyatar David was horrifying ░░░░░░░░ are we really debating ░░░░░░░░ people are starving in ░░░░░░░░ GOLDSTEIN No we re ░░░░░░░░ who is responsible BEINART ░░░░░░░░ it sounds like you ░░░░░░░░ saying that these are ░░░░░░░░ up pictures GOLDSTEIN We ░░░░░░░░ debating who is responsible ░░░░░░░░ Okay if you want ░░░░░░░░ okay GOLDSTEIN We re ░░░░░░░░ who is responsible for ░░░░░░░░ food shortages in Gaza ░░░░░░░░ Okay so let s ░░░░░░░░ that there are people ░░░░░░░░ in Gaza GOLDSTEIN Is ░░░░░░░░ responsible Does Hamas conceal ░░░░░░░░ food BEINART I think ░░░░░░░░ should let me finish ░░░░░░░░ The way that you ░░░░░░░░ me finish last time ░░░░░░░░ Hamas steal food and ░░░░░░░░ it as a food ░░░░░░░░ BEINART Last time You ░░░░░░░░ spoke for a long ░░░░░░░░ Let me just say ░░░░░░░░ GOLDSTEIN Yes or no ░░░░░░░░ The Palestinians in Gaza ░░░░░░░░ Palestinians in Gaza are ░░░░░░░░ refugees It s true ░░░░░░░░ of they are the ░░░░░░░░ most of them of ░░░░░░░░ who were expelled from ░░░░░░░░ in 1948 So if ░░░░░░░░ is not habitable for ░░░░░░░░ because Israel has destroyed ░░░░░░░░ of the schools most ░░░░░░░░ the churches most of ░░░░░░░░ mosques most of the ░░░░░░░░ most of the agriculture ░░░░░░░░ of the universities then ░░░░░░░░ should be allowed to ░░░░░░░░ to the places from ░░░░░░░░ they re from which ░░░░░░░░ not Burundi or Somalia ░░░░░░░░ Rwanda It s Israel ░░░░░░░░ If you want to ░░░░░░░░ them a place to ░░░░░░░░ out of Gaza allow ░░░░░░░░ to go back to ░░░░░░░░ places from which their ░░░░░░░░ were expelled GOLDSTEIN I ░░░░░░░░ you have a problem ░░░░░░░░ cause and effect You ░░░░░░░░ to blame Israel for ░░░░░░░░ Israel did not destroy ░░░░░░░░ hospitals destroy their schools ░░░░░░░░ No GOLDSTEIN The schools ░░░░░░░░ hospitals that I ve ░░░░░░░░ to have been used ░░░░░░░░ places for rocket depots ░░░░░░░░ most of those hospitals ░░░░░░░░ used as Hamas for ░░░░░░░░ headquarters Hamas is responsible ░░░░░░░░ you have your headquarters ░░░░░░░░ a hospital and you ░░░░░░░░ rockets into a civilian ░░░░░░░░ BEINART Where is Israel ░░░░░░░░ military headquarters located I ░░░░░░░░ a question Where is ░░░░░░░░ the Kirya Where is ░░░░░░░░ s military headquarters Is ░░░░░░░░ in a remote area ░░░░░░░░ Israel has military headquarters ░░░░░░░░ BEINART No no Answer ░░░░░░░░ question Where is Israel ░░░░░░░░ no you didn t ░░░░░░░░ my question Where is ░░░░░░░░ s military GOLDSTEIN There ░░░░░░░░ some in Tel Aviv ░░░░░░░░ is some in Tel ░░░░░░░░ BEINART It is in ░░░░░░░░ Tel Aviv So let ░░░░░░░░ say this Brook you ░░░░░░░░ got to let me ░░░░░░░░ Israel s military headquarters ░░░░░░░░ in downtown Tel Aviv ░░░░░░░░ Many of the apartment ░░░░░░░░ in Tel Aviv house ░░░░░░░░ generals Under international law ░░░░░░░░ don t have the ░░░░░░░░ to destroy the schools ░░░░░░░░ Israel s military headquarters ░░░░░░░░ to destroy no let ░░░░░░░░ finish GOLDSTEIN Israel does ░░░░░░░░ shoot rockets from downtown ░░░░░░░░ Aviv into civilian population ░░░░░░░░ Of course Israel has ░░░░░░░░ military military infrastructure deeply ░░░░░░░░ within the civilian infrastructure ░░░░░░░░ well And in international ░░░░░░░░ it would be a ░░░░░░░░ crime to destroy a ░░░░░░░░ or an apartment building ░░░░░░░░ Tel Aviv because an ░░░░░░░░ general is there Similarly ░░░░░░░░ is a violation of ░░░░░░░░ law to destroy a ░░░░░░░░ or university or school ░░░░░░░░ Gaza just because you ░░░░░░░░ that there are Hamas ░░░░░░░░ It is a violation ░░░░░░░░ international law to use ░░░░░░░░ as human shields Can ░░░░░░░░ agree on that BEINART ░░░░░░░░ And that is GOLDSTEIN ░░░░░░░░ do you support temporary ░░░░░░░░ of Gazans so they ░░░░░░░░ not used as human ░░░░░░░░ BEINART No I don ░░░░░░░░ want Palestinians expelled again ░░░░░░░░ Palestinians were expelled in ░░░░░░░░ You want to expel ░░░░░░░░ again GOLDSTEIN No BEINART ░░░░░░░░ s a war crime ░░░░░░░░ That s not what ░░░░░░░░ said BERMAN Hang on ░░░░░░░░ sec BEINART Temporary Temporary ░░░░░░░░ think Israel is going ░░░░░░░░ allow them back if ░░░░░░░░ leave? Come on.”